For a Different Viewpoint: Expat Woman in Bangkok, Thailand

Amy Praphantanathorn
Amy Praphantanathorn

If you're searching for useful and reader-friendly information on expat life in Bangkok, then you shouldn't miss American expat Amy's interview. Here she gives a plethora of data and advice on topics like learning to speak Thai, observing Thai customs, and factors that can affect an expat's cost of living in Thailand. For more insights into expat life in Bangkok from a female perspective, you can also check out her new book, The Expat Woman's Guide to Living in Bangkok.

Interview Questions:

-Where were you born?

I was born in California, USA.

-In which country and city are you living now?

Bangkok, Thailand

cheers.jpg-Are you living alone or with your family?

I came to Thailand as a single woman, but I became very fortunate and met my husband, nicknamed Golf. We married in Bangkok and the year after that our son Aidan was born in a Bangkok hospital.

-How long have you been living in Thailand?

For four years.

-What is your age?

35

-When did you come up with the idea of living in Thailand?

Reading travel stories online, seeing photos and reading about the experiences of others who had come to live and work as English teachers. It sounds like I was armed with a lot of information, but I really was flying by the seat of my pants. I had just come from India less than a year later before coming to Bangkok the first time and I was expecting Bangkok to be just like New Delhi. I was pleasantly surprised that Thailand is far from being like India!

-Was it hard to get a visa or a working permit?

Fortunately the school sponsored my work permit. It was a hassle to go to a neighboring country such as Laos or Malaysia to get the proper work permit, and there are loads of paperwork that my employer must provide. Sometimes the immigration laws can be a pain and be confusing, but it all got done in the end.

-Was it difficult for you to get medical insurance before you went there or when you first arrived?

It was not difficult because my employer paid for my insurance. Maternity, however, was not covered, but the prenatal and hospital bills were manageable. There is so much information out there for expat insurance that it's really quite easy to get you and/or your family adequate coverage.

-How do you make your living in Thailand? Do you have any type of income generated?

I held two jobs in Bangkok, both of them teaching English at private bilingual schools.

The first job was one I had found on the Bangkok Post newspaper online when I was still living in the United States. I had submitted my resume to the email in the job; the director of the school called me on the spot and we had an overseas interview. I had arrived in Bangkok with no guarantees that she would hire me for sure, but I gave myself a one month window of time to find employment teaching English if this job didn't work out. Fortunately it did work out.

I secured my second job just before the term's end at my first school. A number of situations had cropped up at this first school that I could not stay any longer. Since English teachers are in such high demand, I found my new job easily.

-Do you speak Thai and do you think it's important to speak the local language? Please add your thoughts on local customs and whether it's important for expats to respect/observe local customs.

In Bangkok, you're surrounded by English and many Thais speak enough English that if an expat were not fluent in Thai, they'd have no problem. However, I gave learning Thai my best shot. I bought many Thai language learning materials (recommended is Benjawan Poomsan Becker's Thai for Beginners and Thai/English Dictionary for non-Thai speakers) and I also hired a private tutor. I befriended Thais and followed along in their conversations and chimed in when I could. But Thai is a horrendously difficult language for me to learn. Other westerners picked up on it quickly, but I had trouble with it. I did the best I could and Thais appreciate that effort very much. It's also practical; you don't get cheated as often if you can distinguish yourself from a tourist.

With regard to following customs, it is my strong belief that when you choose to live in a host country, you must adapt and be polite on their terms. We are the guests, after all. That means adopting behaviors that are respectful of the Thai people. The more thoughtful and considerate you are, and you demonstrate that you are trying, Thais will forgive you for almost any faux pas you make. The following points are the absolute basics to get by in Thailand:

  • Remove your shoes before entering temples, homes, classrooms (except international schools) and some businesses (you will see shoes outside the doorway or a shoe rack indicating the establishment requires shoe removal).
  • Do not point your feet at other people, sacred objects or Buddha images.
  • Do not touch people on their heads.
  • temple.jpgThe concept of ‘saving face' is extremely important in Thailand. You must keep your cool and maintain a normal tone of voice whenever possible. This can be very difficult in frustrating situations (and you will encounter many!) but you will get further if you maintain your composure.
  • Joking about or speaking negatively of the Thai King or any members of the Royal Family is a big no-no. Thais revere their King and consider him to be the father of their country.
  • Wear modest dress when visiting a temple. Long pants and skirts are preferable and remove your hat before entering. We women need to keep our shoulders covered, no plunging necklines. Always remove shoes before entering a temple and never point your feet at the Buddha image or at any monks (you shouldn't point your feet at any person while in Thailand).

-Do you miss home and family sometimes? Describe your favorite recreational activities there are or those that are available.

Yes, sure. I miss my family and friends. It can be lonely in Thailand for some expat women who arrive here as singles. I also missed good Mexican cuisine and roasted or baked comfort foods (condos generally do not come equipped with the ovens we westerners are accustomed to).

Some of my favorite recreational activities include going to the cinema (Bangkok has some of the finest theaters I've ever seen!) art galleries and performing arts, getting Thai massages and beauty treatments, or shopping and taking weekend trips to the beach or the mountains. I've seen most of Thailand and have done all the touristy bits such as taking a five-day trek up in Mae Hong Son and sea kayaking in Phang Nga Bay. If you like adventure and exploring, then you will never be bored with living in Thailand. What is also wonderful is the fact that other countries are so close by; you can take a long weekend in Hong Kong or Singapore and be back to work on Monday.

-Do you have other plans for the future?

I'm writing a guidebook for expat women living in Thailand. Right now it's called The Expat Woman's Guide to Living in Bangkok, but I am expanding the market to include all of Thailand. Most websites and guidebooks for expats in Thailand are for men since there are far fewer women residing here. The Expat Woman's Guide to Living in Bangkok is available now at my website (see links below) and the full Thailand edition is slated to be published in January 2009.

-What about housing, have you bought, or are you renting a home? How much do you pay for it?

You can find a decent place to live in Bangkok for as reasonable as 8,000-12,000 baht per month, with highs to the ceiling. The condo building you see below was where Golf and I lived for awhile and the one-bedroom unit cost us 9,000 baht per month. It included use of the swimming pool and there was a Tops grocery store in the complex, which was very convenient. This was in the Lad Yao area of Bangkok, near Mo Chit District, so it was out of town just enough to be less expensive than accommodation closer to the city center. It was also closer into town than the outer suburbs where I lived for my first job.

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 The high rise condo tower where Golf and I rented a one-bedroom unit.

A friend of mine lived in a serviced (maid and laundry services once a week) furnished one-bedroom apartment by the Major Cineplex - Pahonyothin near Central Lad Prao shopping center and pays 15,000 baht per month. Her commute to work was 15-20 minutes and she shared the taxi fare with another teacher at the same school. Her home was located in a good area and she had a reasonable commute to her job every day.

-What is the cost of living in Thailand?

The cost of living in Thailand varies tremendously. Bangkok is the most expensive of all the cities; however, the cost of living in Thailand will depend on your salary and the lifestyle you choose. Many multinational corporate executives earn several hundred thousand baht per month and many English teachers earn as little as between 25,000-30,000 baht per month.

An English teacher with a few years of experience under her belt should command about 45,000 baht per month, where if your university degree is in Education, at a private school you could earn 55,000-60,000 baht per month. Many teachers tutor on the side and that brings in several thousand baht per month more. A qualified teacher working in a reputable international school can expect to earn in excess of 100,000 baht per month plus benefits.

Many expats will be fortunate enough to receive accommodation benefits as part of your employment package. However, many more of you will need to pay for accommodation out of your salary which will likely be your largest expense. If you work for a multinational company, your employer will likely give you a generous living expense and your flat, house or condo can run up to 80,000 baht in rent or more, but it will be well within your budget.

How you eat will also determine your monthly expenses. You can eat from the street vendors or buy food to go at your local outdoor market and a meal will cost between 20-40 baht. Snacks are around 10-15 baht. This is the cheapest way to eat and this is how I ate during my work week - cheap and simple.

Restaurants will vary widely in expense. A basic Thai restaurant will likely be less than 120 baht per person, but there are also fancier Thai restaurants and prices will go up from there, much more if alcoholic beverages are part of the meal. Restaurants offering western fare usually cost about 250-400 baht per person and the really nice restaurants you are likely to spend a minimum of 1,000 baht per person.

Many expat families hire a maid whose duties include cooking for them, so eating out is not an issue and is likely more cost effective and healthier than dining in restaurants every day.

Overall, you will live OK, if a bit frugally, if your minimum salary is 35,000 baht per month (less is OK if your employer pays your housing) don't eat at nice restaurants every day and take the bus often. As an example, a few years ago, I was last making 45,000 plus 2,500 for housing expenses and was able to save about 20,000 per month. I went to movies regularly, had beauty treatments, went out to eat at decent restaurants every weekend and traveled outside Bangkok every chance I got. My lifestyle was excellent compared to how I was living in my home country.

Those on executive salaries can live quite luxuriously, if so chosen, and there is a wide range of earnings, saving and spending.

-What are the positive and negative aspects of living in Thailand?

Positives include:

  • Cheap cost of living
  • Thais are generally very easy going and friendly, always happy to help
  • Beautiful temple architecture, beaches, mountains, waterfalls
  • Deep rooted traditions and culture
  • Delicious Thai food every day!
  • Fresh tropical fruits
  • Seeing sights every day that you would never in your home country - an exoticness, if you will

Negatives include:

  • Political and government instability
  • Noise and air pollution in the larger cities, especially Bangkok
  • The heat and humidity can get tiring
  • Some aspects to Thai culture and the way some Thai people conduct themselves is such that most westerners will never, ever understand
  • Corruption is rampant
  • Western women have a tough time finding clothes and shoes that fit properly

-Do you have any tips for our readers about living in Thailand?

Keep an open mind and be willing to accept ways of thinking that are quite different than your own. You will learn new levels of patience and decorum that you never knew you had within you.

-Do you have any favorite Web sites or blogs about Thailand?

Great interview

Marsha Clark's picture

Thank you for such a helpful, informative interview. Only one question. How does a baht compare to the US dollar?

THB - USD

Amyji's picture

Hi Marsha;
Great question. The dollar isn't as strong as it used to be and the Thai baht is also weakening due to the political instability. As of today the bank rate is this: 1 US Dollar = 34.17093 Thai Baht.
I got my exchange information from http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic

Amy

For A Change

bobbysan124's picture

Nice to hear a woman's take on living in Thailand. I, too, am seriously considering relocating. Am involved with a lady in the Nakhon Phanom area and have enjoyed my several trips. Have you ever encountered any problems regarding flooding during the monsoon season, in or out of Bangkok?

Bob

Reading Thai and Renting Apartments

braddockrd's picture

Hi Amy. Great submission.

One book that is very little known is called Reading Thai is Fun, by James Neal. It is the perfect guide for learning to read Thai. Where Benjawan Poomsan (whose books are really great) fails, James Neal picks up.

I would add that learning Thai is a must in Thailand, if you want to integrate and properly communicate. Besides, it changes the way people look at you.

In terms of housing, you would have to explain that Mo Chit and LadPhrao (Pahon Yotin) are actually in the northern part of Bangkok and that are a bit far from the centers of town. The BTS or Skytrain, though, are great ways to commute from Mochit. Once you decide to live in the more urban centric areas of town, the cost of living goes up dramatically. The same one-bedroom serviced apartment will cost 55,000 baht on Sukhumvit, but a 3 bedroom large apartment in the same area upon yearly lease will only cost about 70,000 or less.

Thanks and regards

Alex

Earning a living in Bangkok.....

marstop's picture

Hi Amy,
I enjoyed reading your interview very much, thank you for submitting it. After my sixth trip to Bangkok in 2 years for business, I am more and more drawn to this country. I do have income at retirement, however would like to consider relocating well before I reach "retirement age" (I am now 53). I would like your thoughts regarding sources of income apart from teaching English. Most every blog I read from expats is by those who are teaching English! Almost without exception! (this may of course be a natural function of the fit between blogs and the writers' chosen profession) Again, any thoughts you have would be appreciated. I might add my background is Operations Management/ Purchasing/Production Management....thanks!

Updated website

Amyji's picture

For any of you who are interested, I've updated my website to include ALL of Thailand, not just Bangkok. My new e-book and blog are called The Expat Woman's Guide to Living in Thailand (That Men Find Useful, Too!) Please see http://expatwomenthailand.com for continued interesting and informative posts about living as an expat in Thailand.

Thanks!

thecatat's picture

Thanks for the mention Amy. Yesterday I bought Benjawan Becker's Thai for Advanced Readers course, so I now have most of her courses. The aim is to write a feature on Women Learn Thai.

I have to admit that I loved

JoeAnne11's picture

I have to admit that I loved this interview a lot. I worked with Trianz company for a long while and with their help I want to start now a small business in Thailand and I really hope it will work. I always wanted to live in this country even if I never have the chance...Now my dream will finally came true I hope.

Other areas of Thailand

Aisling's picture

Hi Amy

Great interview, do you have any information about living in Phuket? I may have an opportunity to work there but no very little about the area.

Resources for families in Bangkok

Aine Girn's picture

Hi Amy,

Thanks so much for all the valuable insider tips on living here and respecting local customs. It's great that you get real life experiences of Thailand with your husband, and aren't left feeling on the outside of such a wonderfully rich culture.

Regards
Aine

Thank you, Aine for your

Amyji's picture

Thank you, Aine for your kind comments. Yes, being involved with my husband's side of the family certainly does enrich my cultural experience of Thailand. It's also a great way to learn Thai as he only speaks Thai with our son. We still speak mostly English to one another, though. I love our rituals and celebrations surrounding the Thai holidays.

My Blog and Site Domain Change Again

Amyji's picture

Hi Everyone:

Just wanted to let you know that my site has undergone another change. Two years of not being found in Google has led me to start over again and now my domain name has changed again.

My new site is http://expatwomenthailand.com

Come by and see what's there!

touched by your story

sherlynlee's picture

hi amy
i m a chinese singaporean currently residing in spore n i am currently looking for a job to allow me to live in bangkok. your story touched me as i read you and your husband fell in love and got married in a year and have your love blossom in thailand. and you are happy making your life there. i would wish the same for me tho that could be a long way. tx for the info you have submitted. i love bangkok and for the past decade have nearly visited every quarterly for short getaways. i have thoughts of moving to Bangkok first and to look for a job while i am on tourist pass. i also considered learning Thai while in bangkok vs being in spore. though i am worried how long it will take for me to find a job in hospitality or middle management as i can't speak Thai. what do you think?

Floods, Language and Housing

Amyji's picture

I'm so happy to be getting your comments! Thank you!
Bob, in regard to flooding, I have personally never had any "real" trouble, ie: flooded house, ruined belongings, injuries, etc. Just a bit of inconvenience. It can get pretty bad in some areas of Bangkok due to antiquated drainage systems coupled with grease and other things from street vendors that shouldn't be dumped into these drainage systems. This is yet one more reason to choose your living location well because a long commute home or to work can stretch into far more hours during a rainstorm and subsequent flood. I have a little story I published on my blog about the monsoon rains called Why You Should Wear Sandals:

Alex, thank you for your additional suggestions regarding where to live and more titles for Thai language resources.
For language, a friend of mine has a great website pointing to many Thai language learning resources. I have personally found Benjawan Becker's titles to be helpful to me, as well as "Teach Yourself Thai" by David Smyth. The BEST resource for finding all your Thai learning materials: books, online, videos and more, please see Catherine Wentworth's site: http://www.womenlearnthai.com

It's also a given in any city the world over that the closer you live to the urban centric areas, the price of your accommodation will also rise and the further out in suburbia you go, the cheaper it gets. I do go over those price breakdowns more clearly in my book, The Expat Woman's Guide to Living in Bangkok, and I thank you for giving readers a good idea in your comment. :)

Hi Amy: I was wondering what

SantaCruz's picture

Hi Amy:

I was wondering what Bangkok is like for athletic women. Is it possible to run? You said the pollution is pretty bad, so I wonder if it is a bad idea. What kind of activities are available for an athlete?

Thank you!

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