Some pragmatic advice from American expat Maggie on working and living in Stockholm, Sweden

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Maggie's experience as an American single mother in Stockholm, Sweden has been anything but a fairy tale. Read her hard-hitting observations about local traits, laws, and culture, and find out how she has succeeded career-wise in spite of the odds that she faced.
 
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Maggie

August 21 2006

-Where were you born?
I was born in New York City, but spent most of my adult life in Los Angeles before landing in Sweden.

-In which country and city are you living now?
I live in Stockholm, Sweden

-Are you living alone or with your family?
I am a single parent with a 10-year-old son. I have no family in Sweden.

-How long have you been living in Sweden?
In January 2007 it will be 10 years.

-What is your age?
I am a very young 48 years.

-When did you come up with the idea of living in Sweden?
I always imagined visiting Western Europe (London, Paris, Madrid). I never imagined or wanted to live in Sweden. In 1997 I came to Stockholm from Los Angeles with my then Swedish husband and infant child for a short visit.

We expected to be here a few months due to a short-term work contract my husband had. During that time, things between us became untenable and we split up. Never did I suspect that Sweden, with its forced shared child custody laws, would end up forcing me to live here. I could leave, but not with my child, although he was US born.

It was a bitter pill to swallow: alone with an infant child in a foreign country, no job, little money, and no family to give needed emotional support. Even my ex's family and friends were suddenly not available to offer help or lend a shoulder. Apparently, it’s not an uncommon situation for others who’ve divorced Swedish spouses.

I often advise men and women to understand the rights they leave behind and the laws they are going to be expected to follow before making a commitment to move to another country. Love is far from being the only factor to be considered. Would you choose to live in that country if you were on your own or as a single parent? If the answer is NO, then don't do it. Fewer than 20% of these intercultural relationships survive (where each person is brought up in a different country).

Also, try to understand (as difficult as it may be without experiencing it) that the qualities and skills that have served you well in navigating society in your country might be hindrances in your new one. You might find you have arrived in a country where individuality is not embraced, and where assertiveness is not appreciated, for example. This is the case for many Americans coming to Sweden. We tend to be very confident, outspoken, unafraid to point out our strengths and to describe our successes. These things are considered major no-no’s in Sweden. Eventually you will find a middle ground between who you are and what society here dictates, but that can take some time.

-Was it hard to get a visa or a working permit?
No. I went in for an interview with my ex and our child. The woman at the immigration authority told me, as she was stamping my application, "You're American. We want you." I received my permanent residency card within three months. And, when the law changed allowing dual citizenship, I received Swedish citizenship two months after my application was sent in. I know that this is not the experience of most people from other countries, but be aware there is discrimination and prejudice, despite any laws against them. Americans are perceived as people who don’t enjoy taking welfare/government handouts. Yes, it’s a welfare state, but there are economic concerns, as in any other country, and they prefer admitting people who will contribute to society more than take from it.

-How do you make your living in Sweden? Do you have any type of income generated?
I had worked as a financial analyst for 16 years before suddenly having to earn a living in Sweden. I sent out many, many CVs to many companies, but to no avail. I had no contacts, spoke no Swedish and had no knowledge of the Swedish financial laws. I was here three months.

I had little money and I needed to find a job, and fast. I decided to use my business skills and to start my own business. The few Swedish acquaintances I had put me down and laughed at my decision. When they started to take my self-assuredness away, I dropped them all. I knew in my heart I could make it work, and I didn't want them to sap the emotional and psychological energy I needed. Within a month I had one client, and within a year I had a couple of big customers. By my second year I was invoicing in the 7 figures - while raising a two-year-old alone. How did I do it? I had no choice. It was sink or swim. I saw a need I could satisfy and I started contacting companies to show I could help them. There are some specific actions I took, but I plan to reveal them later in my blog, My Life in Stockholm.

-Do you speak Swedish and do you think it's important to speak the local language?
I'm a bit of a rebel when it comes to this topic. I think everyone deserves respect whether they speak the local language or not. I also think that if I were raised in a country where I had to learn another language from the age of seven, that language would probably be as comfortable for me to communicate in as my mother tongue.

So, I'm sometimes miffed by Swedes who demand that everyone speak perfectly accented Swedish. WE haven’t been learning Swedish from the age of seven! But Swedes have been learning English from that age!

It's not easy for adults to learn a new language. It's not easy for someone who is trying to build a new life in a country, while raising children, and creating a social network, etc., to suddenly drop everything they've ever been and become Swedish. While this may not be what is expected, it certainly feels that way to a lot of expats here.

Language is not only about the words that come out of our mouths. It's about personality, humor, personal expression, values and many other things. It takes many years to become perfectly fluent in another tongue, and to comprehend the unspoken subtleties that always exist between the words. In Sweden there is a unique culture of jantelagen that is part of the fabric of society, as much as people might try to deny it. When they speak highly of humility, for example, jantelagen is to what they are actually referring. It is the idea that one is nothing and should aspire to nothing. On some level this concept permeates all of society and interpersonal exchange from employment to grocery shopping to marriage. This is a concept that is alien to many other cultures. For most Americans, this is completely anathema.

So, my answer is: I am pretty fluent in Swedish, especially in reading. I have done a lot of translations from Swedish to English on a professional level. I speak Swedish when I must – for example, it seems most who work with immigrants or in the government can only speak Swedish - but I prefer to speak English. Anyone who wants to be close to me and to understand me in the most fundamental way will be a fluent or native speaker of English.

Communication is of the utmost importance to me, and I cannot be 100% myself unless I am speaking English. This has not been a problem for me in my career. In fact, I have gotten to the top ranks, despite my lack of desire to speak Swedish on a full-time basis.

I am a contributing member of society and I expect to be accepted as such, whether or not I choose to speak Swedish in my daily life. If you bring me into your world, we will both need to change. It doesn’t only work in one direction.

Obviously, how you feel about this question of language depends on the circumstances of your presence in a country. For me it was not a life decision I made on a conscious level, although an argument can be made perhaps for an underlying soul intention.

That said, I enjoy incorporating Swedish holidays into my life. For me they do not have the emotional impact they do for Swedes, but it's my way of participating and of enjoying fellowship with my friends, even though most of them are expats. Do I have Swedish friends? There is a Swedish word: nja. It means Yes/No. I know Swedes, but I don’t feel I have been accepted fully enough into their intimate lives to be called a friend. Most expats I talk to feel the same way.

When you live in another country, it does change you on a fundamental level, although you do eventually realize there are certain parts of you that will never change. Just because you move abroad doesn't mean you become a different person. As with any experience, it changes some of your perspectives, but at heart you will always be the person you have always been.

Your boundaries will be stretched and changed. Your preconceived notions, of yourself in the world especially, will probably be completely revisited. Your view of your own country will probably change. How and when you relate to family and friends back home might go through some transformation as well. Eventually you will adjust and embrace the new you.

-Do you miss home and family sometimes?
I miss family, friends and home sometimes very much, especially at major holidays. This is the most difficult thing to handle. Flying home can be a quite expensive proposition. For most people, it’s not possible to return once a year. Even though I return at least once per year, it’s not always possible for me to be with family for major holidays. This makes for a lonely and sometimes depressing holiday season. There’s no more politically correct way of expressing it.

I have Skype, so my friends and family in the US can call me for the price of a local call (or free if they have Skype too). I can also call them for free or very little money. This is important because sharing things spontaneously is much better than a once a week call or a once a year visit. I’m thankful for digital media and the options it provides. It doesn’t make up for being there in the flesh when it really counts, though.

-Do you have other plans for the future?
I always have plans for the future. It’s the one thing that has helped me survive and succeed in this country. My vision is global. I have never allowed myself to become fearful and take a narrow view of what my possibilities are. I think that is the single most important thing for me to share from all of this. It’s a cliché, but the only constant is change. Nothing lasts forever. I’m now planning a life that is more global in scope, rather than simply “going home.” I don’t know where home would be anymore, in any case.

-What about housing, have you bought, or are you renting a home? How much do you pay for it?
I owned my own flat until recently. I sold it when interest rates began to rise. I now rent. Housing in Stockholm is quite hard to come by. Firsthand contracts or leases are notoriously difficult without contacts or without paying “key money” under the table (illegal). Buying apartments is extremely expensive. A studio or one bedroom flat can easily cost 1000 Euros per month in the city proper of Stockholm. That gives you an idea of the scope of the situation.

Expect to pay a very high rent for a sublet, although this is regulated by law and earning money from housing is not allowed. I know people who happily pay over 1000 Euros per month to sublet tiny flats in the city. On top of that there’s electricity, telephone, cable TV…

-What is the cost of living in Sweden?
Quite high. Recently an article named Stockholm one of the most expensive cities in the world, #9 in the world, according to the latest surveys. Unfortunately, salaries are not on par.

Those who live elsewhere in Sweden do not have the same access to expats and expat groups as in the capital city. Not having people with whom to share your language and cultural references might make your life lonelier than you can imagine. You will certainly have to assimilate faster to survive, though.

-What do you think about the Swedish people?
In general, Swedes tend to be more tolerant of English-speaking newcomers. In my experience, after being here 10 years, there is a big difference in how you are treated when you are spending money, and when you need to make money. Business takes time. As far as regular salaried employment, I hear time and time again that ethnic Swedes will be chosen over you unless there is a stated need to hire a non-Swede.

Many say that sales positions (low base salary plus commissions) will be open to non-Swedes (for example), but managerial positions and other good paying jobs will be harder to come by for the non-Swede.

Most expats complain that it is not common to receive invitations into the Swedes’ inner circles (weekends, holidays, family events). If you have a Swedish partner, the rules will seem to have changed in your behalf, but many find that if and when you are on your own again, the invitations and the friendships disappear. There are, of course, exceptions to all of this, but this is what I hear to be, in general, the experience of most expats I’ve gotten to know.

-What are the positive and negative aspects of living in Sweden?
There are many positives and negatives. This is not the utopia to live in as an expat, but then again there are worse places. If you are determined to come here, you might find you will need to work hard to achieve the levels of existence you previously took for granted. Or you might be one of the few who slides right into a comfortable existence.

Know that there are prejudices wherever you go. As much as I hear that "Swedes love Americans" I was and still am surprised at the constant anti-American comments in public media and private life. There seems to be at least a stereotype or two for every country. This is not limited to Sweden, of course.

If you enjoy being active and outdoorsy, then this is an environment that might suit you in that regard. There is a lot of bicycling, walking, jogging, hiking, skiing, swimming, boating, football – sports are big. There is nature close by at all times, even in the big city. Mushroom picking, berry picking – these are favorite pastimes for many.

-Do you have any tips for our readers about living in Sweden?
I’d give this advice regardless of which country you choose to explore: learn about the cultural values. If you can, determine what the local stereotypical judgments are of other countries, including your own. Find out what the laws are for lovers living together, married partners, child custody, divorce. Don’t listen to your lover’s supposedly knowledgeable input: I’m often amazed at the erroneous information Swedes give to foreigners. They tend to repeat what they hear, even though there’re a lot of misconceptions – especially about emigrating and family law. Get good legal advice – many lawyers will talk to you by phone for free. If you can’t find answers about Sweden, then write to me!

-Do you have any favorite Web sites or blogs about Sweden?
I started a blog about 4 months ago for recent arrivals to Stockholm. It’s called My Life in Stockholm. In a very short time, my readership has surpassed 25,000 unique visitors. My aim is to share the knowledge I gained over 10 years.

There are various other fora and sites available in Sweden, but be careful as there are many people whose lives are so derived of meaning that they use these fora to bully and put down newcomers. You don’t need that. When you arrive in a new country, you need all the help you can get. It’s a really difficult step to take. Probably the most difficult one you’ll take in your life.

I have tried to be as honest as I can in this short space, and to give you a more pragmatic viewpoint than perhaps some others who try to sugarcoat the experience. Moving countries is a big step and should not be taken lightly, especially when children are or might be involved.

Will your life change? Yes. Will you become a better person for the experience? We should hope so! Might your life have been better and/or easier having stayed in your home country? Only you can say for sure.

Thank you for telling your story!

Stefan's picture

My name i Stefan and i returned to Stockholm after living i Los Angeles for 16 years. Even though i was raised here, i grew up i California. It is amazing how you describe how you experienced life here, it was very much how i feldt everyday after moving back to sweden. Everyday was a struggle to try to fit in, like you said, it is almost forbidden to be self confident in your self and your knowledge. You should not be assertive at all, everyone around me tried to explain that this is not something that would be looked upon negatively.
Something that i still can not understand, why would it not be okey to just be my self, and be the way i have been in all my adult life in California. This is what and who i am, a person who knows him self and know what he can accomplish. Not afraid to let everyone know that. I attended colleges and universities to get all the education and experiences that i could and wanted to while living in America. Why would some people here in Sweden almost be offended by me, just being who i am. It was not like i was walking around and attempted to brag of all the things i had done in my years in America.
Anyway, now after i have been here for about three years, i still have trouble to fully fit in, but now after i read you story i realized that i do not have to try to fit in, everyone should be able to accept me for who and what i am. A "normal" assertive, goal oriented, hard working man that know what and who i am, after all we should be able to accept people for who they are and not worry so much what everyone around you might think of you or if it might be a little offensive to like most "Americans", way to many people here assume that all Americans really think that they are better than the rest, just because they usually tell you like it is, and have a self assured attitude. At least that is what people told me in the beginning after moving back here. I can not even count how many days in the last three years, that i asked my self why i moved back here.
My home and heart, will allways be in California. Once again, thanks for sharing your story. Sincerely, Stefan

I moved to Sweden almost 3 years ago, but I have been back home

MANNERSMATTERS's picture

I must congratulate you for giving a really objective and honest view about Sweden. Sweden is indeed a beautiful country, yet, like many other places in the world, it has many misconceptions.

HOUSING-Let's talk about the percieved high standard of living. Frist not so many people can even afford an apartment, let alone, a house. And, if they do, they have to stuff 4 or 5 family members into these small over priced space. Property on the Water, I mean on the Ice, is sooooo expensive. Depression is prevalent..no wonder!

SCHOOLS - This is a sore subject with me, since moving to Sweden, my kids have all regressed. What a messy, undisciplined environment. There are no sports programs within the schools, kids do not even get homework (at least not often), so they are so idle..they are allowed to go to school looking like hell..hair all different colors, girls with mohawks, earings in nose. No standards at all, what a shame. Bullying is the order of day, kids put fermented baltic herring in the air condition vents, start fires, etc, and yet the principal of the some of the schools do not deal with this matter as serious! Young kids walking to school (they take this "Sweden is safe" thing for granted. Children should wear uniforms, it gives them a sense of identity and teaches them discipline. IT seems parents do not parent in Sweden...they just let their kids run wild.. witnessed many kids in the forest up to mischief! The schools need to pay and hire qualified teachers, so the kids can get a decent education. The educational standards are willly..nilly

RELIGION

So they take creationism out of the schools. Sweden is spritually Dead, for the most part. I congratulate the christian churches for trying to build up the Kingdom of God...but it breaks my heart to see that Swedes generally do not have a spiritual life..kids are into every suicidal sports they could think of...wasting time on motor crossing etc. and i notice too that the kids are in control of their parents. as young as 2 years old....being allowed to speak to their parents in any kind of manner. Young girls sleeping out of their homes at the age of 15, how sad...parents letting teenage girls wonder about down town, without adult supervision.. Will these kids have any etiquette, if they have no boundaries or disciplines taught to them at an early age... take heed!

COST OF LIVING - ONE WORD 'HIGH" EVERYTHING, EVEN GOING TO TO THE MOVIES COST OVER 12.00 DOLLARS
Just to join the gym is over 75.00 per month, and it includes nothing, . The government should have a huge in-door arena for people to use yearround, especially since sweden is cold 7 months of the year, practically!

GENERAL - What a bunch of smokers, Swedes are! 9 and half out of 10 people smoke...talk about nature...well whats the point of going out for a picnic, if you cannot even find clean air-space.. we went for a picnic and we had to leave because people everywhere were smoking, and most of my family have allergies..the smoke was unbearable...and they do not care..they will blow that smoke right in your face, or step on your foot waiting in the foodstore line. I find Swedes have no manners, they have a very cold nature (no wonder), but if you go to the missions church in Varmdo, you can find the most wonderful friendly people, never thought they existed in sweden. thats refreshing. Cannot find jobs very easily. I come from the carribbean, and I am not a refugee, but then again, it does not matter, because if you are not a Swede..good luck findng work!

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE - Sweden's nature is one of the best in the world, it is efficient for the most part, well organized transportation system, cutting edge technology, nice walk and bike trails. Takes care of the refugees when they come, but dump them like hot potatoes after, unless they give you the mediocre jobs, like cleaning, and dish washing in restaurants.

Conclusion. Still Sweden is relatively a safe place, [but that too soon will change, because crime is rising drastically). The Goverment must be commended for the immigrant policies they have put in place..they really try to take care of the people. Good honest governing it seems, more transparency than most other EU countries.

Good luck!

hi maggie, still there?

Griselda77's picture

i tried to read your blog but couldnt make it. is it working? i would very much like to ask you for some information before i move to sweden, so i would very much appreciate some way to get in contact and write to you.
kind regards,

My blog

mylifeinstockholm's picture

Hi, everyone, and thanks for the continued comments.

Recently, my blog's webhosting was up for renewal, but despite my payment, many calls and emails to the hosting company, the blog came down and mysteriously they were not able to restore a backup because "too much time had passed." I had been calling almost every day for a month, which is the maximum length of time they save backups.

I could jump to the conclusion that someone at the webhosting company didn't like what I wrote about Sweden and used this opportunity to shut me down. Since I don't know for sure, I can't say this, but 9 out of 10 Swedes who contacted me were enraged by what I wrote even though I only wrote about my ACTUAL EXPERIENCES in Sweden!

For those who want to read any of my posts, if you do a Google search, rather than click on the direct link to a post, click on the word "CACHED" underneath the post link and description. For some time at least all the information will be cached and still readable.

If you want to write to me directly, feel free to do so at mylifeinstockholm (at) gmail.com .

I am no longer in Sweden, but am happy to offer help and advice, if I am able to.

Best of luck to all of you,
Maggie

Hi Maggie, I'm sorry to hear

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Hi Maggie, I'm sorry to hear about your blog, that's a real pity I must say.

I have edited your email address otherwise it would be eaten by robots and it would end up on a spam list very soon.

Take care,
Victor

Hi Maggie

MarceloCara's picture

I loved to read your first input and comments. I hope you are ok now and as soon I finish to write these words I will check out your bloq.

However I have noticed a bit of sourness in your words.

I have a daughter with a Swedish woman and now I am preparing myself to relocate to Sweden. Currently we, me a my ex and our lovely child, live in UK. We have split up almost 4 years ago and it washard, because the English Family Law is dated 18th century and initially I was awarded just 2 hours every Saturda. Now I have 6 hours, sounds like a jail, but could be worse. I try to be in good terms with my ex, but I know that would ever be impossible to have any kind of agreement. She is Swedish, she lived on government's expenses all her life and does not have the same drive as I have.

So in order to be more time with my daughter, the same Joint Custody, that you have "blamed" at the beginning, is the one that is pushing me to move to Sweden.

But I really do understand you!

All the best. In few years time your boy will be able to decide where he wants to live and eventually move with you back to US.

Regards

Marcelo

my son is with me

mylifeinstockholm's picture

Hi, Marcelo.

I did not leave Sweden without my son! He is with me! We have a lovely life back in the US - now it will soon be 2 years. I would never leave him behind!

I hope things work out for you in Sweden. Yes, compared to British attitudes towards fathers' rights in custody issues, I'm sure Sweden is a big improvement!

Hi Maggie, I hope this finds

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Hi Maggie,

I hope this finds you well with your son. <3

I felt compelled to write you and ask about the custody stuff.

I am newly (1.5 years) and happily married to an Austrian man - we bought a place in the alps where he is from - and are about to start baby-making!

And well, when I read about custody and you not being able to leave, it kind of scared me a little.
I definitely have NO plans to leave my husband and even thinking that far ahead kind of freaks me out (for lack of better articulation!) because I'm a fly by night kind of girl.

So would it possible for me to ask how hard was it to back to the US with your son? You mentioned it couldn't be done so I am curious how you beat the system (go you by the way!).

I suppose I need to research just in case (god forbid) but it seems so far ahead because we really want to start our family now. The time has come (dum dee dum dum - duuuuum). :-)

Anyway, I'm sorry you had to muddle through that. It sounded harsh and living in an even colder (as in people) society (or maybe close to Sweden in some ways) I completely understand and even though I am in Austria, could shake my head at times.

I am lucky however that the locals here in Tyrol are quite friendly and open to new friends (and you being assertive) compared to Sweden.

I had a Swedish band I started, well a trio (me and 2 girls from Stockhom) *I'm a songwriter* and I remember while we were touring throughout Sweden getting the "lecture" about not "boasting" or appearing too "great" or "successful" or... I know you can surely fill in those blanks!

Anyway, when we parted musical ways somehow (when I moved to Europe and couldn't offer them trips to Austin, Texas anymore!) they kind of "disappeared." As in, I felt when I had nothing to offer them (because they get money from the government to tour and if I wrote letters that I needed them in America, they got more!) I was kind of dispensable.

They've lovely girls and I care about them and at one time, called them very close friends. But yeah, I think I emailed slightly with one after the tour ended (where I met my husband and when I stopped contributing the US cool factor for them) and the other we had a slight disagreement when I asked for contact sharing. Somehow I became the greedy American when it all began (our friendship and band) because I invited them for 2 weeks and at great expense, into my home in Austin, Texas. Where I proceeded to connect them to the US scene (which they were DYING for but would not admit due to cultural positioning) and house and feed them, introduce them etc... as well as give birth to the band and proceed to execute ALL of the marketing (website up, cards done etc.. within weeks).

And that last rant was bitter. Can you tell? :-)
So yeah, I love Sweden and the Swedes and actually have some quite wonderful music friends (not the girls I toured with - that was like an adult version of 3rd grade fights over dolls - i.e in our case, stage space!) but sincere ones that weren't out to market and shark. The difference was my band just never wanted to admit they had it "in them too." They liked to pin it on my culture... sharky, market'y (I know that's not a word:) and out only for opportunity - when as it turns out and I learned first hand, they are too... they just don't admit it!!

Hey, opportunity doesn't knock as people like to tell us. We gotta go door to door and em' to answer the bells! So yay you and yay us for owning up to who we are - which at the end of the day, is what it all comes down to.

Congrats on getting to where you wanted to be, your home and let me know if should ever come to Austria.

liebe grüße,
Christene
p.s Oh, my expat interview was just done a couple of weeks ago if you're curious about me... I'm under Austria. :-)

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